so there's -- mandela. so there's a big struggle going on in south african politics to latch on to the legacy of mandela, to the spirit of mandela both by the opposition, democratic alliance, and by the anc. and i think the kind of reaction the anc got to those kind of staged photographs means that luckily i for mandela and for the rest of us it won't happen again. >> it was an incredibly controversial photograph, can you talk about the reaction? >> i mean, the video is just painful, you know? it's pain. it's video of leaders including president zuma kind of trying to get his attention, trying to get him to smile at them? you know, that's the money shot, that's the shot they wanted. and i suspect that he had the same kind of feeling towards them that he had to other visitors, which is it's amazing that young people keep coming to see an old man who has nothing new to say. i think the public reaction, if you followed the blog and the online reactions and and also just listened to the chat shows, which i do,